I marked this ticket with the tag meeting, please do the same each time that you create a new ticket for make easier searching it when we are discussing it in the meeting.

By the way, this will be discussed in the first meeting of 2017. In the meantime, I will assign to @potty and if it's approved to @yn1v

Thanks

Hi @josereyesjdi ,

I am totally +1 on this, but we need to approve it in a meeting.

Since the event will happen on February 2nd, I have a question for you: When is the deadline to apply as a sponsor?

I am asking this because the next meeting will only happen on January 7th. Let us know if that is too late for you so we can figure this out :)

Hi everyone,

Thanks @echevemaster for corrections.
@athoscr the organizers say the deadline is in December 2016 but they can wait for our meeting.
=)

Hello LATAM!

As mentioned on the latest meeting, for the sum asked in this issue we need 5 +1 from 3 different countries [1]. As I see on the meeting logs [2], we have 3 +1 from 3 different countries. So far, thank you.

Let me explain a few more details on this. We are asking for $1500 because it cover presence on the event with 1 shared booth, 3 tickets that we are going to share with 3 Fedora contributors (may be from another country, not necessary from Panama), visibility on sponsors site and on keynote slides.

We, as Fedora, already start participating on the event. I spoke at the first pre-DevConf where I spoke about Project Atomic [3].

On the main event right now we have two speakers (site is not currently updated with latest info): Luis Bazan and me.

For the speakers there is no ticket needed so we could have at least 5 Fedora contributors there. An idea I had is maybe to invite someone else from Fedora and make organizers sponsors them (fully or partially).

The objective is to have the impact on development businesses, freelancers and enthusiasts. Also drag them to Fedora, in a way or another. By the way, we will share the output of this on the unified report that will be published on CommOps Blog.

As @josereyesjdi mentioned we have a deadline to fulfill. So please, if possible, let's approve this no later than next Saturday 20th.

My vote is +1.

Regards!

References:
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Reimbursement#Limits_per_trac_ticket
[2] https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-14/fedora-latam.2017-01-14-23.00.log.html
[3] http://www.abdelmartinez.com/2017/01/devconf-fundaments-of-project-atomic.html?m=1

Hi people
I am agree with the ticket,
My vote is + 1

I think this is an effort moving away of the usual places where we showcase fedora. Let's give it a try. My vote is +1

+1

Agree with @yn1v, I think this worth it. My vote is +1

+1

+1

+1

Thank you all for your votes. According to the rules, we agreed.

I will change the tag to Reimbursement and assign to the responsible of the payment.

Regards!

Thanks guys, for your votes. =)

I look forward to hearing about this event and hearing more about what we are going to do there. I'd like us to really use this as an event to experiment with talking to these kinds of audiences (see my recent emails to the council list). This is something that can inform the whole of the Fedora Project. No pressure :)

On the main event right now we have two speakers (site is not currently updated with latest info): Luis Bazan and me.
For the speakers there is no ticket needed so we could have at least 5 Fedora contributors there. An idea I had is maybe to invite someone else from Fedora and make organizers sponsors them (fully or partially).

last time we approved something for Luis Bazan We spend more than $800 and he doesn't showed up on FUDCon Puno.

approving these stuff outside of the meetings will end the need of having a meeting, making easy for contributors that only come for asking money and doesn't contribute anything to make Fedora better.

approving these stuff outside of the meetings will end the need of having a meeting, making easy for contributors that only come for asking money and doesn't contribute anything to make Fedora better.

If the LATAM regional group cannot safely conduct business outside of meetings that should be addressed. I do not believe that voting in tickets automatically makes all votes more suspect or less well thought.

Voting on tickets have never been a problem. As I see on this particular ticket, 9 persons from 7 different countries are comfortable voting on the ticket, only Itamar (that should maybe raise a behavior flag).

Misinform always generate confusion on processes. I will clear Itamar concern related to Luis Bazan participation. Current speakers (Luis Bazan and me) are not being sponsored in any way.

I will quote what I wrote before:
"Let me explain a few more details on this. We are asking for $1500 because it cover presence on the event with 1 shared booth, 3 tickets that we are going to share with 3 Fedora contributors (may be from another country, not necessary from Panama), visibility on sponsors site and on keynote slides."

Hope this clarifies and, please let's not make unnecessary noise on the ticket.

Regards!

Voting on tickets have never been a problem. As I see on this particular ticket, 9 persons from 7 different countries are comfortable voting on the ticket, only Itamar (that should maybe raise a behavior flag).

ok, then lets do everything in tickets and stop our regular weekly meetings,

Voting on tickets have never been a problem. As I see on this particular ticket, 9 persons from 7 different countries are comfortable voting on the ticket, only Itamar (that should maybe raise a behavior flag).

ok, then lets do everything in tickets and stop our regular weekly meetings,

Your concern here should be addressed creating a new issue (previously called ticket) and see it on next meeting. Not on this one. Thank you in advance.

Voting on tickets have never been a problem. As I see on this particular ticket, 9 persons from 7 different countries are comfortable voting on the ticket, only Itamar (that should maybe raise a behavior flag).

ok, then lets do everything in tickets and stop our regular weekly meetings,

@itamarjp if you don't agree with the ticket put in a '-1' and force it into a meeting. Or discuss your concerns. No one has suggested that meetings be cancelled. That is a ridiculous strawman.

you've stated a concern and it appears your fellow LATAM members don't share it. This doesn't mean your concerns are unfounded just that they don't think they are strong enough to justify not funding the ticket.

I believe the lack of sponsorship for the person in questions travel and the fact that multiple contributors will be present is what they are basing their decisions on.

ok, then lets do everything in tickets and stop our regular weekly meetings,

This was already brought up in our last meeting: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-14/fedora-latam.2017-01-14-23.00.htmI

I think there is a good reason—whether it's legit or not is up to FAmSCo—to make an exception here: since there was no quorum, and this really really needs to get approved ASAP—we are approaching to the early bird discount deadline—we asked people to vote here. Waiting for the next meeting would mean having to pay extra money for no good reason. By no means approval on pagure issue comments is being encouraged.

ok, then lets do everything in tickets and stop our regular weekly meetings,

This was already brought up in our last meeting: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-14/fedora-latam.2017-01-14-23.00.htmI
I think there is a good reason—whether it's legit or not is up to FAmSCo—to make an exception here: since there was no quorum, and this really really needs to get approved ASAP—we are approaching to the early bird discount deadline—we asked people to vote here. Waiting for the next meeting would mean having to pay extra money for no good reason. By no means approval on pagure issue comments is being encouraged.

Thank you. By the way, it is a legit process in FAmSCo [1].

Reference:
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee#Governance

As I pointed during the meeting, I agree with @mayorga here:

I think there is a good reason [...] to make an exception here: since there was no quorum, and this really really needs to get approved ASAP—we are approaching to the early bird discount deadline—we asked people to vote here. Waiting for the next meeting would mean having to pay extra money for no good reason. [...]

I don' t see a problem approving this ticket here (@potty already included my +1 from the meeting).

I am not sure if @itamarjp -1 would force a meeting to discuss it or not since we do have positive votes > 4 anyway (if we are using FAmSCo rules here). We could even start another issue (to avoid noise here) and query other regions and FAmSCo, if @itamarjp wants to take this further.

@potty, the link provided are for FAmSCo rules, not the ambassadors program itself, right?

In this sense, I believe we should update [1] and [2] with information on how to proceed (based on other regions?) in this situations, since our rules do not define what "approval" for tickets > $500 means, it just says it needs 5 voters from 3 different countries in a weekly meeting.

Maybe we could extend the voting to the issue tracker for 7 days after the meeting it was discussed on (which would delay approval, unless we set a number of votes for approval) or do it whenever we have no quorum. Question is: what do the other regions do?

Finally, I would like to remind everybody that this should not be an issue at all, since we've barely spent 1/3 of the FY budget, which ends next month.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Latin_America_(FAMLATAM)
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Reimbursement

@athoscr thank you for comments. The rules are for FAmSCo.

I agree with you updating both wikis.

@bex: I will send you the PayPal information of the recipient on an email. After they receive the payment I will upload a document that certifies our sponsorship.

approving these stuff outside of the meetings will end the need of having a meeting, making easy for contributors that only come for asking money and doesn't contribute anything to make Fedora better.

I can see the point of itamar here, but anyway I heve a +1 since potty is a active fedora contributor and not only a person asking occasionally for money.

In this sense, I believe we should update [1] and [2] with information on how to proceed (based on other regions?) in this situations, since our rules do not define what "approval" for tickets > $500 means, it just says it needs 5 voters from 3 different countries in a weekly meeting.

Given that we have a brand spanking new FAmSCo :), perhaps this is a good issue to go to them with to see if the regions as a unit want to advance their rules.

In the council we are working on updated project reimbursement and purchasing policies so this would go well with that work.

This has been paid.

Thank you @bex! Here is the receipt.

@potty that appears to be the invoice.

My bad, @bex . It is the invoice indeed.